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Chase and Tyler discuss what his father’s lessons didn’t take, the lawsuit his grandfather wrote three months after Charles was born, why Chase started throwing tennis matches, what Rafa taught him about stoicism, what he loved most from the 1992 Dream Team, whether the Spurs should hire De’Aamod and what David Aamod Fox, David Aamod. jam bands, how he built a boom-box business in his parents’ garage, why his father interviews Snoop on a Zoom call during Covid, why his band is named after the second law of thermodynamics, what it’s like to work with Mr. Beast, how Koch Industries came about, what he learned from Marc Andreessen, the philosophy that teaches his team to hire his coded himself. wooing a fourteen year old, where he’s going next, and much more.
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COWEN: NWA, are they good? I love them.
KOCH: I had my phases. My first business, Tyler, was when I was 15 years old and one of my best friends to this day, Askia Ahmad, was wiring cars and building custom boom boxes and all that. We built the business out of my parents’ garage because they had all the tools and materials and everything. Like, “Let’s build a business from here. My parents will hopefully pay for the equipment, and then we can sell these boom boxes to our friends at high prices and capture a big margin.” With that, I learned all about gangster rap. Your listeners might be surprised, but it started with me, Public Enemy, NWA, Eazy-E, of course—
COWEN: It’s very good.
KOCH: Dre.
COWEN: Snoop.
KOCH: Snoop.
COWEN: You know Snoop, right?
KOCH: Very good, very good. Yes.
COWEN: How’s Snoop?
KOCH: Snoopy? That’s right. This goes back to what I was mentioning about the power of music to bring people together. So I’ve had Stand Together. For listeners who don’t know, it will give context to your question. Stand Together is a community of like-minded leaders who all believe in one thing, the power of human potential, and that everyone is gifted.
We all know there are a lot of barriers in society that hold people back, whether it’s barriers in education, barriers in regulation, so you can’t start a business, barriers in our criminal justice system, you name it. What Stand Together does is basically have a comprehensive strategy that addresses everything from education to policy to bottom-up empowerment of communities to drive real social change. I have been a part of this for as long as I can remember.
My father has been working for social change for 60 years. My love of music, as you can see from your last line of questions, Stand Together and that whole community, we never got into the culture. When I say culture and what the next generation pays attention to—sports, music, YouTube, entertainment, creators, media. During the time of COVID, I had this idea that we never got into music to promote social change.
And on one specific point:
Back to your question about energy, 4 percent of the net income at Koch is spent on refining, which is where my grandfather started the company. I think that surprises a lot of people because I think a lot of people are still stuck on this, “Well, you’re an energy company.” No, we are not. We affect most of the economy now, and we are in everything from forest products, consumer products, software, as I explained, glass production, energy and fertilizers as well.
It’s interesting throughout.
